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GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

  • 1.  GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 7 days ago
    Hello
    We are currently using GP 2018 , is Microsoft Dynamics 365 much different from  a users perspective?

    Thanks

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    Mary Mallazzo
    Fromkin Brothers
    Edison NJ
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  • 2.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    Posted 7 days ago
    Hi Mary,
    Dynamics 365 is better but it has certain feature that GP have more  like service management, manufacturing, human resources, and payroll. However, some Dynamics GP users have have problem in operation reporting other than that it is great.

    Dynamics 365, on the other hand, doesn't have payroll processing functionality. That means if you choose to migrate, you will have to find software to run payroll.
    I hope this helps you out. If you need more information please you can call me at 4692376251



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    ANG iNFOTECH
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  • 3.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 7 days ago
    Al
    Thank you for your reply.
    Really wanted to know if from a user perspective, if the interface is different from GP 2018.  We have heard from our VAR that the transition from GP 2018 to 365 is "seamless, that users will barely notice"  Questioning how accurate that statement is.

    Thank you

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    Mary Mallazzo
    Fromkin Brothers
    Edison NJ
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  • 4.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 7 days ago
    Just ask your VAR to explain the upgrade path and it becomes very obvious: there is no "upgrade" path.  The Dynamics 365 products are a separate product line entirely from Dynamics GP.

    The other thing to point out is that there is a lot of internal functionality which is not yet present in the D365 offerings, nor does there exist the robust list of third-party products to support D365 as there is with Dynamics GP.

    I applaud you for doing your own investigation. Don't buy the hype.  Remember, Microsoft and the VAR's are in it for money and they get money from moving you around.  But that process is expensive and disruptive to your business.  Make sure you understand all the costs and benefits.  Don't sacrifice functionality.  It is worth it to take the time necessary to examine the options and come to the decision which best fits your needs - and especially your budget!

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    Blair Christensen
    Database Administrator
    Oppenheimer Companies, Inc.
    Boise ID
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  • 5.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    Posted 7 days ago
    Hi Blair,
    Var or SI are not there to make but to provide better solutions if that was the case somebody might already done. Mary you are doing right thing in researching the product. As the saying goes too many chef but no cooks makes the curry bad.




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  • 6.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 7 days ago
    "Better" solutions according to whom?  Microsoft?  Or the customer?

    This isn't the first post on this forum from customers asking about these pushes from their partners and VARs to move to D365.  If you were at Summit and sat through the Microsoft keynote, they made this very obvious: Microsoft wants to move people off Dynamics GP to D365.  And they are pushing the VAR's to help them - regardless of what is actually best for the customer.

    David Musgrave - once a developer for Microsoft - wrote an excellent blog/article about this I'll refer you to:  https://winthropdc.wordpress.com/2019/06/27/msdyngp-dynamics-365-bc-is-not-an-upgrade-from-dynamics-gp/

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    Blair Christensen
    Database Administrator
    Oppenheimer Companies, Inc.
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  • 7.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    Posted 7 days ago
    Blair's comments are pretty spot on. The only clarification I'd make is that I think the VAR's are getting pushed around the same as the customer. I don't believe that, to date, we've recommended a single current GP customer to move to BC primarily for the reasons outlined in this thread and Dave Musgrave's articles (which I send to customers who have this question (thanks Dave)). What I can tell you is we've had a dozen customers contact us to inquire about switching because they were contacted by someone who insinuated that either GP was on the ropes or BC was somehow better and that the switch would be SO easy. We can't stand that approach. Primarily because we've spent a long time working with our customers to understand their functional requirements, business processes, budget, timing, etc... When someone calls up and says 'don't renew your maintenance, just switch to BC because it's "better"' it undermines and devalues the work we've put into the relationship with our clients. It's sad. Having just gotten back from the GPUG summit I saw that the GP community is as strong and connected and enthusiastic as ever (I'm 20 years in). Why anyone would ever want to give that up is beyond me. Oh and the software works too, which is always nice.

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    Dan Johnson
    Vice President
    GraVoc
    Tewksbury MA
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  • 8.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    SILVER CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 7 days ago
    Hi Mary,

    Dynamics 365 ERP is a family of two quite distinct products, D365 for Operations and Finance and D365 Business Central.  If you have reasons to change from Dynamics GP to either one, eventually after you spend the implementation cost (could be hundreds of thousands of dollars), you will get roughly the same functionality as you're getting from Dynamics GP.

    Therefore my suggestion is first to determine if there is any reason to change from Dynamics GP.  And if there is, then most likely you will find an add-on that will give you what you need that you're not getting from GP, at a fraction of the cost but especially without the upheaval and time associated with implementaing a completely new ERP.

    The user interface of both D365 products is quite different from GP.  It is more a web interface than a Desktop interface.  Some users prefer GP's interface and others not.  It depends on the familiarity they have with each product.

    If you would like to give users a more modern interface to GP with substantial additional functionality, look at SalesPad, which is a GP add-on that does not replace your GP but complements it, again at a fraction of the cost of replacing your ERP.

    Regards

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    Wassim Rahme
    Consulting Manager
    Computel
    Westmount QC
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  • 9.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 7 days ago
    Wassim

    Thank you.  That is the information I was looking for.
    No reason to move to Dynamics 365 Business Central other then our VAR is pushing it.
    Did not think that it would be as seamless  as they said.
    GP is providing us with what we need.

    Thank you

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    Mary Mallazzo
    Fromkin Brothers
    Edison NJ
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  • 10.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    SILVER CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 7 days ago
    Mary,

    The scenario is quite familiar, we've encountered it so many times.  The Microsoft salespeople are pushing partners and the partners are pushing customers.  I guess Microsoft makes more profit from the cloud than from on premise licenses.

    Rest assured your Dynamics GP is as strategic as ever, especially if your users are productive with it.

    Regards

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    Wassim Rahme
    Consulting Manager
    Computel
    Westmount QC
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  • 11.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    GPUG ALL STAR
    Posted 6 days ago
    Edited by Beat Bucher 6 days ago
    Mary,
    Dynamics GP & 365BC are as close to compare as a Ferrari and a Jeep .. They both have 4 wheels and a body to carry around people, but there is where the analogy ends. The Ferrari is going to bring you from point A to point B in zero time, given you have highway and no speed limit.. But the Jeep can bring you from A to B by using various roads, even off-road.. try that with a Ferrari :-)

    Now when comes to the price, you may well understand why Microsoft and partners are trying to push the sales of D365BC (which btw is based on the NAV platform, so nothing compatible with GP), as the basic 365BC license is 70$/usr/mth and the premium version 100$/usr/mth..

    Make a quick math: let's assume you have 25 users in your organisations that need to work on the ERP, that's 1750-2500$/mth, times 12, 25-30k$ per year. A similar sized GP on-prem setup for 25 users might cost you about 16-20k per year for the annual maintenance contract, depending on the type. As you can see, Microsoft already wins big on that side, and that's without counting the Office365 licenses that you might need to fully integrate with your 365BC ideally.  And BTW, GP uses Concurrent licenses, BC uses named licenses, which means you have to pay for as many users as you want them to access the system.. In GP you can easily operate with 25 licenses up to a hundred users (as I've seen this in many companies), as not everyone works full time in the system.
    https://mbs.microsoft.com/Files/public/365/Dynamics365BusinessCentralLicensingGuide.pdf

    Look at the MS 365BC page to see what the product offers: https://dynamics.microsoft.com/en-us/business-central/capabilities/

    So far, the only migration path for 'master' data that 365BC has to offer is for Accounts, Customers, Items & Vendors.. nothing else
    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dynamics365/business-central/ui-extensions-dynamicsgp-data-migration

    So, as others said, you're going to face a quite large implementation if you want to move from GP to BC, just to bring all your data and into the new ERP, and tha's without all your historical transactions. Before you go this route, there are certainly way other options to consider to optimize the potential of your current GP instance (like SalesPad and other ISV products), in case you're missing any functionalities yet.

    I've heard rumours that MS is going to work on some migration tools to allow for a smooth transition from GP to BC.. but that's not yet done and it's likely to go another year or two before it is available.

    Hope this helps you making better decisions

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    Beat Bucher
    Business Analyst, Dynamics GP SME
    Montreal QC/Canada
    @GP_Beat http://www.gp-geek.com
    Montreal QC GPUG Chapter Leader
    MBS MVP (2015-2018)
    All-Star 2013
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  • 12.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    SILVER CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 6 days ago
    Hi Beat,

    Well said.  However be careful with your car analogy.  It might lead people to think that BC is more technically advanced and faster than GP.

    Regards

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    Wassim Rahme
    Consulting Manager
    Computel
    Westmount QC
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  • 13.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    GOLD CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 6 days ago
    @Mary Mallazzo   Glad to see that you are doing your due diligence and I wish that "some" of our VAR brethren wouldn't push so hard for people to move.   Granted there are reasons that some companies will move, but that decision should be based upon customer needs, not what MS or a VAR is pushing.​

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    Michael Gummel
    Prod Engineer
    Paradigm Technology Consulting
    Allentown NJ
    mgummel@ptcllc.com
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  • 14.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 6 days ago
    Thanks to all for your insight. It  is greatly appreciated!!

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    Mary Mallazzo
    Fromkin Brothers
    Edison NJ
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  • 15.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    GPUG ALL STAR
    Posted 4 days ago
    @Mary Mallazzo

    When I saw this topic I wanted to respond and ask why reimplement your accounting system if you don't need to. This would be a very costly and disruptive exercise.

    I was going to mention my blog articles on Microsoft and its sales hype and the big incentives it is giving to partners to sell Dynamics 365. That is why some partners are scaring their customers.

    Disclaimer: Before some of the partners get upset with me for that last comment. I will say that there are a number of excellent partners who have moved customers from GP to BC because BC met the customer's needs better than GP and had all the features the customer needed.

    But my colleagues have already mentioned pretty well all the points I was planning to raise.

    Please don't believe the hype. If you want any feature or functionality it can be written for you, but as the GP product is so mature with such a great developer community ... What you want, has probably been written already.

    Make sure you carefully explore your options before making any changes.

    Regards

    David

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    David Musgrave MVP, GPUG All-Star

    Managing Director
    Winthrop Development Consultants

    Perth, Western Australia

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  • 16.  RE: GP vs Microsoft Dynamics 365

    GOLD CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 4 days ago
    Hi @Mary Mallazzo,

    These questions are always among my favourites, as I work with both products and feel strongly (and positively) about both.  Both have great features, and while GP has a longer list of ISV solutions available today, BC has a rapidly growing list of ISV solutions.  For example, someone above mentioned that there is "no payroll for BC", but there are currently ISV solutions for both Canadian payroll and US payroll - as well as existing connectors to some of the bigger payroll processing companies.

    Everyone here is correct that BC and GP are very different products.  The concepts are different, and the user experience will be different.  For example, the chart of accounts uses dimensions instead of pre-combined segments.  Moving from GP to BC should also be treated as a reimplementation, where you consider all of your processes and look for opportunities to improve - and they do exist.

    Where I differ from alot of people on this thread is that I do feel BC offers opportunities for efficiency over GP for the right customers.  (even @David Musgrave says "there are a number of excellent partners who have moved customers from GP to BC because BC met the customer's needs better than GP and had all the features the customer needed.") Take a serious look at the functionality in BC and see if you're one of the companies who could benefit.  You haven't given much detail, so none of us here are able to honestly guide you.  Where I also differ is that I don't feel there are as many partners out there trying to "scare" their customers into anything as people imply.  However, they do exist.  If you feel you're being mislead, seek a second opinion.  Or a third.  As many as it takes to make you comfortable that the decision you are making is the correct one.  Please do so by working with the opinion giver to review all of your business needs and compare them to both GP and BC.  Posts like this simply aren't enough to make an informed decision - though they do help get folks talking!

    The simple answer is that there is no simple answer.

    Thanks,
    Rod​​​

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    Rod O'Connor
    Product Specialist
    eOne Solutions
    Oakville ON
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