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  • 1.  Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    Posted Jun 20, 2019 12:01 PM
    I see the latest version of GP is 2018. Is microsoft planning to face out Dynamics GP and transition to Dynamics 365?
    What is the roadmap for Dynamics GP for next couple of years?

    Can someone please help me understand.

    Thanks Venketesh

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    Venketesh Subramony
    U.S. Chamber of Commerce
    Washington DC
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  • 2.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted Jun 20, 2019 05:02 PM
    Hi @Venketesh Subramony

    No, Microsoft is NOT in the process of "Phasing Out" GP.

    This is an excellent question and we should pause to clear up confusion.

    YES:  Microsoft is in process of "pushing" Dynamics 365 Business Central since it is a "cloud based" solution
     NO:  Microsoft has no intention within the next few years of phasing out or stopping support of GP.
    YES:  GP is still being "improved" and "developed" and supported by Microsoft
     NO:  You are not required to move off of GP right now, nor are you required to start planning it.​

    There are many advantages to D365BC and it's a good product, but it is not a "GP Upgrade" at all.

    Feel free to reach out to me if you have any other questions.

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  • 3.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    GOLD CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 30 days ago
    Venketesh,

    This is an interesting topic and Jo is correct in that GP is not going away.  I have seen the Dynamics GP and SL roadmaps and where in the past there were specific time lines for releases, the newest road map shows what was done in the past and the final image just has the word "Next?"

    I attended a Microsoft Summit recently and there is a big push to Dynamics 365 but most of the other partners I have spoke with indicate that the transition is targeting customers using AX and moving them to Dynamics 365.  Currently, that is the only upgrade path from the traditional ERP software packages.

    Another thing to consider is that the 2018 release must be supported through 2023 and then there is a 5 year extended support period.  With Dynamics GP having a larger share on the market, I don't believe that Microsoft would eliminate a large portion of that maintenance revenue just to force customers to make a decision.

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    David Callery
    Consultant
    Coe & Company, LLC
    Jefferson LA
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  • 4.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 30 days ago
    Please also note that sometimes the messaging from Microsoft is somewhat confusing.  Dynamics 365 and Dynamics GP are not even remotely the same products.  There is no conversion tooling or path to move from GP to 365.  If you are investigating for new accounting solutions, it is probably worth it to investigate 365.  If you already have Dynamics GP in place, I would ignore 365 entirely.  The last note I would make is that there is an extensive community of third-party products which accentuate GP.  That community is not nearly so robust around 365 and so the functionality that is so fully fleshed out in GP is in many ways still on the drawing boards with 365.

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    Blair Christensen
    Database Administrator
    Oppenheimer Companies, Inc.
    Boise ID
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  • 5.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    Posted 29 days ago

    While Microsoft will continue to support Dynamics GP for at least the next several years, nearly all of Microsoft's mid-market ERP development resources have been reallocated to Dynamics 365 Business Central.  Business Central is now Microsoft's premier mid-market application.

    Our company has been a Dynamics GP partner for over 20 years, and due to Microsoft's change in direction, we have chosen to develop a Business Central practice as well.  Most Dynamics GP partners are starting to work on this transition.

    My suggestion would be to continue using Dynamics GP, but to start to learn more about D365 Business Central.  If you plan to add significant functionality to your Dynamics GP instance in the future, I recommend that you consider migrating to Business Central as an alternative to investing significant dollars into Dynamics GP.  Not to say that you should migrate - just that you should at least look at it as an option.

    Microsoft has developed a data replication tool which will bring GP history into Business Central (except for Project Accounting and Manufacturing data).  However, migrating to Business Central requires significant process changes, retooling, and training.  So it is still a significant project.



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    Janelle Riley
    CEO
    Syvantis Technologies, Inc.
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  • 6.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    GOLD CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 27 days ago
    Janelle,

    Does the data replication tool you mentioned handle 'open' transactions/balances, or just history?

    Has anyone used it for a system migration?

    Chris


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    Chris Donnelly
    Sr Mgr of Info Systems and Financial Reporting
    Healthmark Industries
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  • 7.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    SILVER CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 27 days ago
    @Chris Donnelly  there are really two different tools that would be used to move data to Dyn365 from GP.   One will do "open" transactions and one will do "historical".  The "historical" one is still relatively new and my understanding that it is being tweaked as they go.

    If you are considering a move, i'd suggest having a serious conversation with your partner as your data is only a piece of the implementation.   BC requires substantial process changes and users need to get used to a new way of processing.


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    Michael Gummel
    Prod Engineer
    Paradigm Technology Consulting
    Allentown NJ
    mgummel@ptcllc.com
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  • 8.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    GPUG ALL STAR
    Posted 27 days ago
    Edited by David Musgrave 24 days ago
    Hi All

    Disclaimer: This is my opinion only.

    While Business Central is being developed at a rapid rate, it does not have the maturity and functionality of Microsoft Dynamics GP. If you have a plain GL, AR, AP system then it might be an option for you (as long as you have fast and reliable internet).

    If you have other modules from Microsoft (such as Project Accounting, Field Service, Manufacturing, etc.) or modules from ISVs (Independent Software Vendors), then moving to Business Central is likely to be a downgrade with much functionality lost. It would also probably be a re-implementation as there is no one-click migration.

    Microsoft Dynamics GP has a new version scheduled for release before the end of the year (not sure of exact dates yet), It is not confirmed, but I hope it will be labelled as "Microsoft Dynamics GP 2020". When this new version releases there will be at least 5 years of full support and another 5 years of maintenance support. That gets us to at least 2030 and probably beyond...

    Please read my article on the topic:


    Microsoft Dynamics GP is a cash cow for Microsoft and they will not want to kill the cash cow, even though their sales and marketing team have been spreading misinformation (or at least giving the wrong impression) about the future of Microsoft Dynamics GP.

    At this stage what I have been hearing on the grapevine is that Microsoft Dynamics GP customers who believe the hype (possibly because of their partners scaring them) are more likely to move to a non-Microsoft product than Business Central.

    Regards

    David

    PS: I wonder if my MVP Status will be renewed on the 1st July?



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    David Musgrave MVP, GPUG All-Star

    Managing Director
    Winthrop Development Consultants

    Perth, Western Australia

    http://www.winthropdc.com
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  • 9.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    Posted 27 days ago
    There are functionality differences between the two applications.  Some things are better in GP (Smartlists) and some are better in BC (Edit in Excel).  Our own company migrated from GP to Business Central nearly a year ago.  We have found that GL, AR, AP, SOP, and POP have comparable functionality in the two systems. We also use Project Accounting from Progressus, and it has been working well.  ISVs have been rapidly building functionality in Business Central so many of the previous gaps have been filled.

    The GP replication tool that Microsoft built is called the Intelligent Cloud Wizard.  It replicates all GP historical data to custom tables in BC for query.  After migration, GP historical data is queried from one set of tables in BC, and new transactions are queried from the BC tables.  Project Accounting and Manufacturing data need to be migrated using another tool such as SmartConnect or Logic Apps.  Open transactions need to be migrated using another tool as well - usually Config Packages.

    As David noted:  GP is not going to just disappear, as it has a large and secure client base.  Microsoft is committed to continue to support it for many years to come.

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    Janelle Riley
    CEO
    Syvantis Technologies, Inc.
    Baxter MN
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  • 10.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    Posted 26 days ago
    Having customers migrate from GP to BC is certainly an advantage for Microsoft and its partners, given the sales push by Microsoft salespeople.  Many GP customers will probably panic and be incited to migrate.  I can understand what David is saying that they're more likely  to migrate to non-Microsoft platforms, maybe to punish Microsoft for letting them down.

    According to the Gartner Group, all monolithic ERP's will cease to exist in 5 years and a trend has started, they call Postmodern ERP.  I encourage all GP customers to investigate this trend since the good news is that there are active Microsoft partners out there who already can migrate them today to a Postmodern ERP platform, literally overnight, without the need to re-implement.  Who knows, maybe one day there will be a trend for Microsoft BC customers to migrate to a Postmodern ERP that is based on GP.

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    Wassim Rahme
    Consulting Manager
    Computel
    mirabel QC
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  • 11.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 26 days ago
    @David Musgrave

    Well said and a hearty "Amen" to your reply.

    In my experience the migration tools are ill-built and still need a lot of tweaking and "work-arounds" to bring the data over.

    For that reason I do not tell my clients that there is a migration tool because GP to Business Central is In Fact  a completely NEW implementation.  Not an upgrade, not a "quick migration".  It is a brand NEW software... albeit a good one in the right circumstances.

    There should be no miscommunications.  It Is A Brand New Implementation At This Point.​

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  • 12.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    GPUG ALL STAR
    Posted 24 days ago
    I reposted my response on my blog with some additional comments.

    https://winthropdc.wordpress.com/2019/06/27/msdyngp-dynamics-365-bc-is-not-an-upgrade-from-dynamics-gp/

    David

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    David Musgrave MVP, GPUG All-Star

    Managing Director
    Winthrop Development Consultants

    Perth, Western Australia

    http://www.winthropdc.com
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  • 13.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 24 days ago
    One other note for the user group:

    There are several "GP Partners" who have chosen to stay dedicated to Dynamics GP and are not currently focused on moving to Dynamics 365 BC.

    If your partner is not one of those you ARE free to find a partner who HAS stayed dedicated to GP.

    My further notes on this are:
    If you need a cloud solution GP has one, ask @Melissa Dobkins about that.
    If you need to have remote access to GP it successfully works on AWS and AZURE and a couple of other "Cloud-based" Servers.

    Please feel free to reach out to me with any questions you may have, this is a subject I am particularly passionate about.​​

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  • 14.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    GPUG ALL STAR
    Posted 10 days ago
    Well Said Jo!

    I can only confirm that the trend for small customers to move to the cloud is not going to BC, but Azure (or AWS).. I already have helped customers move their On-Prem Dynamics GP instance to Azure because they don't have dedicated IT staff to maintain all their HW infrastructure and keep a full- or part-time employee to maintain all of this when Microsoft can do it for you..
    They'll retain the full functionality of their ERP system and past investments, which of course comes with some costs attached to it, not just for the one-time migration to the cloud, but also the recurring monthly costs associated with it for operating the systems.
    There is a trade-off by going to the cloud, as other things have to be considered as well, like DR planing and backups, etc.. but in the end, you save that hassle to have someone looking at it locally. Azure is great when it comes to DR planning, as all your backups can be replicated to a different data center / TZ, so if something really bad happens regionally, your data is still safe.
    I've witnessed so many small business that don't have a rightful DR plan in place, not even speaking of regular backups, that a simple local power surge, earthquake or fire could just wipe out years of critical business data.
    Computers are cheap to replace nowadays and everyone with a laptop can quickly go back to business from almost anywhere in the world when all your data is accessible from the cloud, given that the Internet is not down :-)..
    I'm not saying that such a scenario can't happen one day (like in James Patterson's novel) where the entire internet just goes dark, but in such scenarios, everyone would be out of business anyway.
    The beauty of an cloud migration is that you can easily scale up the entire system very quickly if your business growth faster than you expected. In no time you can fire up additional servers and/or increase the storage size, not to speak of the entire system size (CPU & RAM).  Of course you can do this too locally on-prem if you've invested heavily in virtualization and new top-of-the-art technology, but we're talking about 100k$+ investments to get to the same level as you have in Azure available to your fingertips.
    D365BC or Azure ? for Microsoft it makes no difference, they win on both sides due to the monthly cash intake.. but for the business owners and the users, the difference might be significant as others said, in the functionality and learning curve that employees will have to go thru..
    Azure cloud is not for everyone, but for many SMB's it's a viable alternative to the all the marketing sirens that Microsoft let's sing out to try to lure them into the D365 platform.
    #ShowYourSupport #ImDynGP #LoveDynGP

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    Beat Bucher
    Business Analyst, Dynamics GP SME
    Montreal QC/Canada
    @GP_Beat http://www.gp-geek.com
    Montreal QC GPUG Chapter Leader
    MBS MVP (2015-2018)
    All-Star 2013
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  • 15.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    Posted 10 days ago
    Wise advice from Beat as usual.

    I only want to add to this controversial conversation an advice to GP customers to investigate the Gartner research paper called 'Postmodern ERP strategy'.  According to Gartner all monolithic suites might cease to exist in 5 years.  If you investigate further you may find that you can implement a Postmodern ERP strategy today using GP as the back end.  As a matter of fact we are talking to prospects who do not own GP and who are interested to migrate to a Postmodern ERP configuration based on GP, including one prospect who is fed up from paying a fortune maintaining their SAP All-in-One.

    Bottom line:  don't panic, sooner or later you will discover the good news.

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    Wassim Rahme
    Consulting Manager
    Computel
    mirabel QC
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  • 16.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    GPUG ALL STAR
    Posted 10 days ago
    Here is an article that explains in simple words what the 'PostModern ERP' era is all about :

    https://www.softwareadvice.com/resources/postmodern-erp-defined/

    and this article makes a good comparaison for ERP in the Cloud vs. on-Prem :
    https://www.softwareadvice.com/resources/cloud-erp-vs-on-premise/

    Some food for thought!

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    Beat Bucher
    Business Analyst, Dynamics GP SME
    Montreal QC/Canada
    @GP_Beat http://www.gp-geek.com
    Montreal QC GPUG Chapter Leader
    MBS MVP (2015-2018)
    All-Star 2013
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  • 17.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    Posted 9 days ago
    Gartner has been predicting the demise of on-prem ERP software for years.  Just like predicting the end of the world, I'm sure their prognostication will eventually be true.

    One might also question why their research tends to support their largest customers, as discussed here:

    https://www.uctoday.com/unified-communications/gartner-magic-quadrant/

    Regards,
    Brenner

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    Brenner Klenzman
    Owner/Principle
    WilloWare, Inc.
    Wapella IL
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  • 18.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    Posted 9 days ago
    Their latest research indicates that product-centric organizations are likely to remain on-prem (compared with service-centric).

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    Wassim Rahme
    Consulting Manager
    Computel
    mirabel QC
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  • 19.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    Posted 24 days ago
    When a Dynamics GP customer is happy with their solution, there is absolutely no reason to think about Business Central because it isn't in their best interest.  It is a completely different solution and it works backwards compared to Dynamics GP. (I can give you examples, just ping me.) Besides the downtime, performance (which may be improved) and other cloud glitchy-ness, GP users will struggle adopting it and I guarantee they will want their GP back. Keep in mind that many competing products work similar to GP, so David's right.

    I've talked to partners who are trying to adopt Business Central and they have agreed that it's different, but it's just a process of learning how it works differently. But why spend months, literally months for a basic understanding of a product that isn't ready or GAAP compliant? Because Microsoft told you to?

    Dynamics GP customers can go to the cloud without implementing an entirely different solution. Plus they get to keep GP, their ISV's and reports. There is the RIGHT path to the cloud for existing Dynamics GP customers and it isn't Business Central.


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    Pam Misialek
    pmisialek@njevity.com
    Director of Cloud Applications
    Njevity the creators of PowerGP Online
    Fargo ND
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  • 20.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 20 days ago
    From a marketing perspective, Dynamics 365 is a great choice, because when the marketer makes this big sale, they get a great big commission check.

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    Bruce Strom
    Programmer Analyst
    Associated Grocers of Florida / Supervalu
    Sunrise FL
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  • 21.  RE: Dynamics 365 | Dynamics GP

    Posted 11 days ago
    Hi-

    At the risk of repeating what has already been said, as the owner of an ISV, I'd like to add my 2-cents.

    We pay attention to what Microsoft does, not to what they say.  There is another release of GP coming next year, and that means they are still developing and supporting GP.

    Despite what Microsoft says, there is rarely an easy transition to a different ERP product.  D365 is a new implementation, which will have a direct cost in consulting time, and probably an organizational cost in lost efficiency during the transition and learning period.  It's as much a different ERP product as NetSuite.  Some data will migrate, and some won't.  You might gain features in some areas, and lose it in others.  We use Dynamics GP internally and I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a reason to put the company through the tough process of implementing and learning to use a new ERP software package.

    Personally, I also ask myself, why would Microsoft be trying so hard to cannibalize its own customer base?  All that does is move customer count from one product to another.  Why?  Perhaps D365 is not doing quite as well as they had hoped and it is an effort to get a critical mass of customers on to D365 to make it worthwhile to continue to develop and support it.

    Many moons ago we got on board with a "new" accounting package Microsoft was developing called Office Accounting 2007, which was the offspring of an aborted attempted to "downsize" Great Plains into Small Business Accounting.  Office Accounting was a created-from-scratch competitor to QuickBooks.  We started developing add-on modules for it, and using it internally.  Several years later, with no notice of a change in plans, we received an email stating that support for the product was discontinued effective immediately.

    Lastly, our sales numbers do not back up Microsoft's messaging about D365--we are seeing about the same number of "new to GP customer" sales this year as we did for the last several years.

    Regards,
    Brenner

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    Brenner Klenzman
    Owner/Principle
    WilloWare, Inc.
    Wapella IL
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